Interop 2024 and the State of the Industry

Oh yes, we’re back! In this first Just a Spec episode of the year, the lads speculate on the grand conspiracy behind the results publication delay of State of HTML 2023 (not really!), catch up on personal news from during the podcast’s year-end hiatus, and run through a very entertaining list of all the goodies being worked on by browser vendors as part of Interop 2024. And is the complexity of the web platform just too damn high? (At least for anyone wanting to author a new browser engine?) Let’s discuss!

Hosted by Jared White & Ayush and produced by Intuitive Future

Links & Show Notes:

• Follow Just a Spec on Mastodon
• The Spicy Web & That HTML Blog
• Fullstack Ruby rebooted
• Whitefusion web studio (ready for hire!)
• The Rails and Hotwire Codex, updated!

Interop 2024:

• Readme
• Progress Dashboard
• Igalia Chats episode
• Accessibility
• CSS Nesting
• Custom Properties
• Popover
• Relative Color Syntax
• @starting-style
• text-wrap: balance

Chapters

• 0:00 Introduction
• 0:44 Weather Report
• 2:27 What we've been up to during the hiatus
• 3:55 AI hype is such a distraction :(
• 5:40 Ayush's trip to India & book update
• 8:24 And Jared's turn for shameless plugs…
• 14:12 2023 State of HTML Survey…Conspiracy Theories!
• 18:23 Interop 2024
• 20:28 CSS Nesting
• 25:00 "Breeze quick" through Accessibility
• 29:38 @starting-style
• 33:24 Typed custom properties with @property
• 38:13 Popovers
• 44:59 Relative color syntax
• 51:01 text-wrap: balance
• 54:13 Wrapping up
• 56:04 Is the Web platform just too big now? (Specs galore!)
• 59:46 Do we need a new "core" subset of HTML/CSS?
• 1:00:52 The complexity is too damn high! ;-)
• 1:02:08 Just a Spec Season 2 scheduling